Not recommend this place anymore! This was our 4th visit, 1st from the reopening, but sure it was the last one!!! Upon entry, our bag was checked and it turned out that we were not allowed to bring in glas bottled drinks, which is understandable for security reasons. Then after entry, they reminded us that next time we could not bring in a normal-sized freezer box. Okay. Everyone inside with huge freezer boxes, but no problem. 🤷🏼‍♀️ then we were faced with the fact that no outdoor pool was working. You can only sunbathe outside. or if you want to enter the sauna section, which is in the nudist section. No, thank you. There is hardly any air inside, the heat is unbearable. But the entrance price is still 30€ / person. shortly after we got there we wanted to ask for our money back and leave the place. The answer was that they informed us on their website which pools were not working, sorry but I don't check the website, I've been there before and I knew the place was good, we loved it. so far... they offered that if we wanted to go we could get the money back in the form of a voucher. but what should I do with it if there won't be an outdoor pool this year? and this was definitely our last visit! and I didn't even mention the wounds we got on the slides, thank you.

Never again. I've been here several times but this was terrible. They still charged full price for half the facility working. The adult sauna area was dirty, unhygienic and over crowded. It should not be allowed for visitors leaving towels to block recliners in the quiet zones or sleeping rooms and leave for hours expecting them to be saved not allowing someone else to use them. And too many children and teens unsupervised in the adult area. This used to be a nice relaxing spa but will never return. If you want an adult area and nice experience I suggest karlsruhe.

Nice place for a day of fun with the kids. Free entry on your birthday. Enough parking (free) space. Could be a little cleaner. Slides are great - kids love it. Can be crowdy at times and you need to cue for the popular slides. One pool has waves every hour - what a fun. Sana area is awesome and it looks like kids are allowed (great for some, disturbing for others). Quiet rooms available.

The most amazing wellness nearest Mannheim 😌

We were there on a very hot day so the place was packed. We only were on the "fun area" with no access to the salt baths or sauna. The sitting area was so full people were laying on the floor in the halls. The staff was friendly on the cash register but inside there was almost no personal for upkeep. Or so it seemed. The price for 4 hours of swim was too high in my opinion and they should lower the limit of visitors a day it was really too busy to enjoy.

I love Miramar. The wave pool was fantastic!! There is a water slide that ends in the wave pool. It was still busy though, especially the Splash water slide, that one took 15 minutes to ride. My favorite one had to be the Typhoon water slide, and the Race water slide. There is a swimm-up bar! Miramar had a cafeteria with some yummy food. Definately try Miramar on a not busy day!!

This was a spontaneous trip during my stay and it was unforgettable. My local guide handled all the talking since my German is rusty, but the service was very nice. I liked the security of the lockers, everything was clean, and the food was good-especially the fries! The slides are safe for those of us who can’t swim since the water is shallow. The main pool with the mushroom has a setting with waves that I wouldn’t recommend for those without swimming legs. There’s activities for everyone and it’s very safe. I’d visit again. *Bonus*: this was my first time going to a sauna and it was better than I expected. No one is being creepy, there’s plenty of rooms, and you don’t have to be nude in that section (except the sauna room).

The garden is small but very beautiful. We visited it in April. All the tulips and flowers were in bloom. Everywhere smelled great. There are benches and tables, you can sit and enjoy the beautiful views.

It’s very relaxing and there are a few benches along the pathways. The garden is beautiful.

Such a nice and beautiful place to visit.

Such a beautiful garden with lots of Wisteria and Tulips

The smell is even more impressive than the amazing views

Small but incredibly beautiful botanical garden, it is impressive how much care people apply to maintain it. I just wanted to thank all the park workers for the opportunity to enjoy these wonderful flowers.

Very pretty. Definitely worth a visit in this season. Very nicely arranged with various plants with many different color tones.

Beautiful park with a small pond. Perfect place for walks, picnics, family outing and birdwatching. A great spot for kids as it has plenty of space to run around.

An amazing park in the middle of Weinheim city center. This place is picture perfect and maintained amazingly well. The park is large and spacious and very good for kids to walk and play around. You can do a nice weekend picnic sitting on the lawn and let your kids walk and run around on a nice sunny day. There is a small hill going up and getting down can also be very good for a short run around the park for beginners. Definitely a place to visit if you are in Weinheim.

This is a nice place to take a leisurely stroll through the park, picking on the rolling hills, looking at the exotic birds, or a nice backdrop to enjoy your ice cream from around the corner. There are many events hosted here throughout the year, but generally it is open to the public park. The palace connected to the park with many other beautiful monuments and statues make this an excellent place to visit. Either you are passing through or a local, you will definitely want to spend some time here to enjoy it

Perfect place to spend the weekend with Family.

Always a beautiful place to be. I absolutely love this city

Lovely park in a beautiful city!

Beautiful park in a lovely old town. We found the town completely by accident and were totally charmed by it. A free Camperstop (4 vans max) toilets in the park and a wide choice of eateries.

This is a modern castle (built in the early 1900s), of course still well preserved, which houses a restaurant and seems to serve more ceremonial/organizational purpose than tourist ones. I only discovered it when I brought my kids to do the Gruffalo path (which is the only reason I even found out about Windeck castle, as the path leads up to it), but couldn't find opening hours on their website. I decided to come and see if we could explore the castle; we parked at the Wanderparkplatz just prior to entering the castle grounds and walked up the paved path, through the wooden gate that was open, and under the stone arch lladen with crests. There happened to be a large party there that night for a business' employees, which looked like a grand old time, and the setting was wonderful for it - once you walk through the arch, the indoor restaurant entrance is immediately on the right, but then you see the terrace in the courtyard, which has a great view and has wonderful ambiance, many tables, even couches to lounge on. The castle surrounds you, with its beautiful windows and stone walls and a single tower (that I saw). I couldn't find anywhere to enter the castle itself that was open to the public, and there were no obviously castle staff members to ask, so we simply enjoyed the view for a few minutes and went on our way. The restaurant menu looked fantastic, if a little too fancy and expensive for me to stop there with just myself and three young kids 5 and under, but I'd guess it'd make for a great date night or girls night out. This, topped with ample close parking, makes for a wonderful evening!

A great location with good walking and parking the restaurant seemed expensive.

Nice place spending time..

Die Wachenburg never fails to be a place with great views! The restaurant inside had delicious food ( smoked trout plate & a Burrata plate - both were near divine).

Not so much a castle as a restaurant which was closed when we visited at lunchtime. Elevated location but honestly I've seen better views.

Very nice view over Weinheim.

Charming castle overlooking the city.

We would definitely recommend this place. The food and atmosphere were amazing, everything was fresh and tasted delicious. The attention was also very nice. We're to go back!

Great location in the heart of Weinheim. I would recommend getting your burger with smash burger patties. The brioche bun was only okay - I would recommend the classic bun. Overall, lovely lunch spot right by the church. A perfect place to sit and watch people go by!

Comfortable and nice ambiance. I ate burger. It's really good. As an extra, the french fries are crispy. Homemade iced tea is very fresh.

This was quite an unexpected find. Just walking through the city looking for a place to eat and decided on this one. The food is nothing short of spectacular. Everything from the schnitzel to the salad. Highly, highly recommend this place.

Very good food but the service was a bit slow

A lot of options to choose Steak is so yummy (beautiful deko 😍!!) and a lot ! Cocktail is the best ❤️ and staffs are soooooo friendly omg I love this place 💕

Food is very nice, thanks to the kitchen, but service is nahh.. maybe cuz we don’t speak germanv

Delicious food and nice atmosphere sitting outside in the platz during early evening..

Authentic Italian food and atmosphere. Make sure you try the artichokes and don't miss the paintings on the walls.

Food is very salt, and sea food does not appear fresh. Cannot say service is friendly as no smile on the face. We came in July it is nice to seat outside but the seafood attracts tons of fly which is very annoying. Not recommended

Perfect food, Perfect service, actable prices. Definetly We'll come back again 🥰👌

Food was really tasty and delicious.

Stay away from this strange restaurant. On the 1st of January I booked a table in this restaurant because they have oysters in the menu. We spent 1 hour driving to the restaurant with a child and a small dog. When we arrived, they offered us a “New Year menu” that you can see in the attachment - a crumpled piece of paper with a proud statement that it costs 50€. The main menu didn’t work that day and of course nobody was going to notify about that when I booked a table. The staff was a bit nervous about the fact that we only wanted to order oysters with wine without their super-special offer of the day. But the next news was that they don’t have oysters anymore. “Sorry” - that was only what they said when I tried to clarify how they confirmed the booking two hours ago when I asked about oysters and wine. We had to leave the restaurant and just wasted 2 hours. Nothing was offered for us to resolve the situation in a good manner, but this shouldn’t be a surprise if you look at their special New Year menu and how it looks like.

Visited several times and All was great until today. I came with friend to drink coffee and restaurant was empty. As always coffee was amazing, but after we paid the waiter said - tomorrow if u want drink just coffee go to another place. Very unprofessional. Especially if u don’t have guests and we not sit in a table where someone else can sit and eat.

Fantastic lunch experience. Good amount of comfortable outdoor seating that is well-shaded and spaced out. Great selection of in-season food and dishes. Maultaschen was delicious and very good desserts! Service was nice and helpful. This places makes everything fresh and it takes some time for the food to come out. Not unreasonable but don’t expect a quick bite here. It is worth the wait. Interior was cute and their toilets are clean. I would definitely come back here again!

I only had dessert and wine but it was really good! Amazing wine and the dessert was superb! The service was really good too very polite and attentive. I left my phone in the bathroom and I had to rush back and just when I arrived a lady had found my phone. She was a German lady, so so nice!! 😊 people here are incredibly kind.

Always delicious!!!! They have a changing menu based on seasonal varieties. Great ambiance.

average food.. polite people.. great location... nice atmosphere..

HORRIBLE!!!!!! NEVER EVER AGAIN!!!!!!! My daughter got food poisoning from the food! Lasted 3 days AND had to go to the hospital! Don’t go there!!! No words just ABYSMAL!!!!!

Food was great, the cocktails were nice (and strong!). The staff were really friendly and spoke good English which was a bonus. Nice atmosphere would go again. All our meals were cooked really well and there was something for everyone.

Very well

Food was good and the portions were quite generous. I only wish there were more vegetarian/vegan options besides bread, pimentos and tortillas. But overall it was a great experience and the ambience was also very nice, plenty of tables outside overlooking the tennis courts.

I really liked the atmosphere here. Went there on a Friday night and they had live music. Made the experience that much better. Felt like I was in Spain 🇪🇸. I would recommend trying this place out 👏👍

A good tapas restaurant with authentic dishes. I really enjoyed the green chilies and the sangria. The outdoor sitting area can get a bit hot in the afternoon. The little children's play area and the bunnies were also a big plus.

Service was great, bread was great. We ordered the tapas set menue for 25.90 and that was rather expensive for what we got. The wedges were with a spicy sauce and we didnt like most of the other tapas.

The place is really cute and the service is great! However, the tapas weren't good and fairly expensive. Overall, the place is overpriced for its food quality.

The staff and atmosphere were very nice. Lovely place. However the food is EXTREMELY expensive and the portions are tiny. I recommend looking elsewhere.

100% 🇪🇸 flavour and excellent place to take tapas or for dinner with friends in Weinheim.💃💃💃💃 olé!!!!

Passed by Weinheim - which BTW is a highly recommended visit during the day - and stopped in the local brewery. All beers seemed to be made there on the spot. I had the Pils, the Helles (some sort of Lager) and the dark beer (like a darg kager, not strong beer). All of them were very well crafted with a balanced taste and even the normally bitter Pils was super tasty. Great service and nice atmosphere. Place was completely full after 7pm on Friday. Bit there is always room if you Wand to try just some.beers. they also have a take away option. I'll definitely come back.

I am biased when it comes to this place. It's been over 10 years since I've lived in Weinheim Germany. Over the course of 3 years I went often. Whenever I get back to visit my friends I make sure to stop by. This is about German as it gets and the quality and ambience are top notch. My two favorites items here are the Schweinshaxe (roasted pig knuckle) and Hefeweizen (wheat beer). Sehr lecker (delicious)! I only gave four stars for service because that's from a US perspective and I assume US viewers are reading this. Let's be real, it's rather normal for German standards, it is a different country after all. Not bad...just different. If memory serves, English menus are available. I've traveled all over Germany and this is my favorite brew house. Why? Honestly it's amazing IMHO and when you pair the experience, taste, and atmosphere with the ambience of the town of Weinheim Its a complete package.

Food: 4/5 Good food, tasty and all. Big portion, nice crust for the Schweinshaxe. Beer selection was nice, a lot to choose from. The 1516 vom fass was a bit weird, but when i tasted from the bottle, it was one of the great ones! Funny labels as well for the bottles, super. Service: 4/5 It was quite crowded but still we expected more. Some was a bit grumpy. But all in all quite good experience. Great atmosphere as well.

Very nice location. The food is ok and the staff really nice and welcoming.

Authentic German beer and food. Many vegetarian options also. Staff are very friendly, albeit outnumbered by the customers.

Food is fine but price is high comparatively. Good collection of beers. I recommend to first get the Minibierprobe(small glass beers to try) and then choose your favorite Beer. ;) My favorites were Weizenbock and Pils

Very good bierhaus to drink or have food. The owner is very friendly and passionate about good beer!

Small local museum on 3 floors

(Translated by Google) Cheap entry price. I think two euros per adult. The Gruffalo exhibition we visited the museum for was tiny. A room with a few books, something to draw with, but hardly any pencils. A Gruffalo game, but the pieces were missing there too. My son didn't think it was bad, but unfortunately he couldn't keep himself busy for long. (Original) Günstiger Eintrittspreis. Glaube zwei Euro pro Erwachsenen. Die Grüffelo - Ausstellung wegen der wir das Museum besucht hatten war winzig klein. Ein Zimmer mit ein paar Büchern, etwas zum malen, aber kaum Stiften. Ein Grüffelo Spiel, aber auch da fehlten die Spielfiguren. Mein Sohn fand es nicht schlecht, aber lange Beschäftigen konnte man sich leider nicht.

(Translated by Google) The exhibition of crocheted works depicting Weinheim is fantastic. The rest of the museum is quite manageable. (Original) Die Ausstellung der Häkelarbeiten die Weinheim darstellen ist fantastisch. Der Rest des Museums ist recht überschaubar.

(Translated by Google) Birthday party child. We celebrated my daughter's birthday (8 years old) with a total of 10 children. it took 1.5 hours. It was super interesting, the children learned something but did something. Was a very nice mix. There are several options for topic selection. (Original) Geburtstagsfeier Kind. Wir haben den Geburtstag von meiner Tochter (8 Jahre) mit insgesamt 10 Kindern gefeiert. es hat 1,5 Stunden gedauert. War super interessant, die Kindern haben was gelernt aber such was gemacht. War sehr schöne mix. Es gibt mehrere Optionen zum Themaauswahl.

(Translated by Google) rather unfriendly staff. It's a shame, because otherwise the visit here would have been nice (Original) eher unfreundliches Personal. Schade, denn sonst wäre der Besuch hier schön gewesen

(Translated by Google) A great exhibition to learn about the town. We were there specifically for the special exhibition "Crocheted Weinheim" as part of the local history festival. The friendly cashier told us a few additional things. There were hardly any visitors, so it was quiet and relaxed, and there was plenty to read, even outside of the special exhibition. A small but fine museum. 👍 (Original) Tolle Ausstellung, um etwas über die Stadt zu erfahren. Wir waren extra wegen der Sonderausstellung "gehäkeltes Weinheim" im Rahmen der Heimattage da. Freundliche Kassiererin, die uns das ein oder andere noch zusätzlich erzählt hat. Waren kaum Besucher da, daher war es ruhig und entspannt und man konnte vieles lesen, eben auch außerhalb der Sonderausstellung. Kleines, aber feines Museum. 👍

(Translated by Google) The exhibition is more or less interesting. It is advertised as child-friendly. We strongly disagreed. There is little information material for children on the exhibits. We should change our diaper child on the floor in the men's toilet and "just not here in the entrance area". It would have been fine to point this out in a friendly manner, but the tone was very displeasing. (Original) Die Ausstellung ist mehr oder weniger interessant. Es wird als Kinderfreundlich beworben. Wir waren stark anderer Meinung. Es gibt wenig Infomaterial für Kinder an der Ausstellungsobjekten. Unser Windelkind sollten wir auf dem Fußboden im Herren WC wickeln und "bloß nicht hier im Eingangsbereich". Es wäre in Ordnung gewesen freundlich darauf hinzuweisen, jedoch missfiel der Ton stark.

Nice price and repairs

(Translated by Google) We received really great advice for our wedding rings here. Mareike the goldsmith took a lot of time for us and took all of our wishes into account. We are very happy with the result and look forward to wearing these unique pieces for the rest of our lives. Quality and craftsmanship come together here. (Original) Wir haben hier eine wirklich tolle Beratung für unsere Trauringe erhalten. Mareike die Goldschmiedin hat sich sehr viel Zeit für uns genommen und alle unsere Wünsche berücksichtigt. Mit dem Ergebnis sind wir sehr glücklich und freuen uns darauf diese Unikate für den Rest unseres Lebens zu tragen. Hier kommen Qualität und Handwerkskunst zusammen.

(Translated by Google) In addition to many other great pieces of jewelry, we also found our wedding rings in the Old Town Gallery. We are absolutely thrilled with the advice and the jewelry and couldn't have imagined anything better. We always enjoy coming back. (Original) Neben vielen weiteren tollen Schmuckstücken haben wir in der Altstadt-Galerie auch unsere Trauringe gefunden. Wir sind von Beratung und vom Schmuck absolut begeistert und hätten uns nichts besseres vorstellen können. Wir kommen immer wieder gerne.

(Translated by Google) Beautiful pieces of jewelry made with very high quality craftsmanship, competent advice and a very stylish ambience (Original) Wunderschöne und handwerklich sehr hochwertig gefertigte Schmuckstücke, kompetente Beratung und sehr stilvolles Ambiente

(Translated by Google) A truly wonderful and friendly wedding ring consultation, even in English for my husband. Ms. Berghoff took plenty of time and listened to our requests. The selection of sample rings is beautiful, very creative, and something a little different. The rings were made at relatively short notice and they even accepted scrap gold. The interaction with the staff was also consistently positive. We are truly completely satisfied! (Original) Ganz tolle und sympathische Trauringberatung, für meinen Mann sogar auch in Englisch. Frau Berghoff hat sich viel Zeit genommen und ist auf unsere Wünsche eingegangen. Die Auswahl an Musterringe ist wunderschön, sehr kreativ und mal etwas Anderes. Die relativ kurzfristige Anfertigung der Ringe und die Annahme von Altgold war sogar auch möglich. Auch der Kontakt zu den Angestellten war durchweg positiv. Wir sind wirklich rundum zufrieden!

(Translated by Google) I also always come to Weinheim because of the Old Town Gallery. I bought some beautiful pieces here, all of which I enjoy wearing. There is always something special here. Unusual design, nice materials...... Plus it's a beautifully designed store. Everyone who has served me here so far has been very friendly, reserved, and in no way intrusive in their sales advice. Certainly another reason why I always like to come back. Here I have peace and time to make a purchase decision without feeling pressured. (Original) Ich komme auch wegen der Altstadt-Galerie immer wieder nach Weinheim. Ich habe mir hier schöne Stücke gekauft, die ich alle mit viel Freude trage. Hier gibt es immer etwas Besonderes. Ausgefallene Gestaltung, schöne Materialien...... Außerdem ist es ein schön gestaltetes Geschäft. Alle die mich hier bis jetzt bedient haben waren sehr freundlich, zurückhaltend, in keinster Weise aufdringlich bei der Verkaufsberatung. Sicherlich auch ein Grund weshalb ich immer wieder gern zurück komme. Hier habe ich Ruhe und Zeit eine Kaufentscheidung zu treffen ohne mich bedrängt zu fühlen.

(Translated by Google) I am absolutely thrilled 🤩 Very individual advice that is not dependent on the expected investment. Wonderful jewelry, with many creative unique pieces. And I finally found my earrings ♥️ (Original) Ich bin absolut begeistert 🤩 Sehr individuelle Beratung, die nicht abhängig von der zu erwartenden Investition gemacht wird. Wunderbarer Schmuck, mit vielen kreativen Unikaten. Und ich habe endlich meine Ohrringe gefunden ♥️

We ordered two burgers (Hamilton and Special), and neither of us liked the meal. Service was slow, it took 45 minutes to get the food (the restaurant was full though).

Optimal price-performance ratio. The service is also great. The seats are very comfortable. I'm always planning to eat at Hamilton as soon as I am in Weinheim.

excellent service. lovely serve staff. food was awful. the tikka masala was so so salty and the burger was so dry i could not eat it yet no offer of discount or compensation was made.

Good food, nice atmosphere outside, rude and incompetent service

Dude, simply the best curry I've had in a long time....and I know my curries :)

A friendly bistro with a nice view. The tarte flambée was delicious.

Good food, slow service.

I really liked this cozy place! The Brasserie Bellini offers a variety of Italian, salad and meat dishes. The service is pretty fast and very friendly. You can choose sitting next to some very cozy pillows or at regular tables. The atmosphere is very relaxed and calm. We ordered the red pesto and a salad to share and it was really tasty! The pasta maaybe a bit too soft (not al dente) but the taste was very good! The salad was delicious! You have a variety of drinks, cocktails and coffee to choose from, but like in many other places I always choose my lecker bierchen. Prices are acceptable, a bit high but for being in the middle of the Old Town it is fine. Overall a very nice and beautiful place with tasty food.

A great Italian restaurant in the city centre of Weinheim, great outdoor sitting best for Spring overlooking the piazza which is just stunning. The place is also good for winter with nice cozy seating inside. The food service and quality all very nice and authentic to be in a foreign country meaning outside Italy. The person serving was even speaking native Italian for sure adapted for the German taste. But food was very good. Definitely recommended for people looking for good Italian food.

Nice place in the middle of the old town. Food is delicious and they have great white wines! Recommended!

Just everything fantastic. The roastbeef Salad was the bomb delicious.

Amazing Brunch place in Weinheim :)

Nice restaurant at the corner of the market place. Very good food, but the portions can be a bit small, but you get bread with all dishes, I think. Prices are normal and they also have a lunch-menu.

Good Italian restaurant located at Marktplatz. The rates are reasonable and defines the quantity offered by the restaurant. One must try Tagliatelle Pasta and Ozean Flammkuchen.

In a sketchier part of town, but the food was delicious!

Good main course, but not great. The salad that came with it was delicious though. It is a family restaurant where locals come to so you feel very welcomed. I would come back and try something different.

Pretty mediocre, oversalted. Greek food can be a lot better than this.

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(Translated by Google) Very tasty food. Very good value for money. We love eating Greek food there. Service is friendly and attentive. The portions are generous, and there's something for everyone. We'll be back again and again. (Original) Sehr leckeres Essen. Preis-Leistung ist sehr gut. Gehen sehr gern dort grieschich essen. Service ist freundlich und zuvorkommend. Portionen sind groß und es für jeden was dabei. Gerne immer wieder.

Amazingly friendly service, super tasty food. Excellent salad, cheeses, beers, etc Simple 3 choice menu (meat/fish/veg) makes everything easy. Nice decor and super convenient for public transport

We dined at Bistronauten on July 30 and had a fantastic evening. The food was delicious, the menu well constructed, the service impeccable, and the atmosphere perfectly attuned to the meal. Two special notes: 1) they accommodated our pram/stroller without hesitation and with kindness and 2) the pacing was perfect - my partner could not believe we how long we had been there when we finished the meal because there was never too long of a break and never a rush between courses. It was a well orchestrated meal that we recommended to friends and to which we hope to return. While I was glad to enjoy the food without taking photos, I wish I had taken a few to include for this review.

Bistronauten offer a set-menu only, you can choose between 2 to 4 courses, and they offer meat, fish and vegetarian options. A lovely evening spent at Bistronauten, thank you to the kind staff and the talented kitchen-staff for the yummy food!

Such a nice place.

We loved to be here but the outside area is very close to the street and you smell the cars going by. We had a 4 course mail with wife but only liked the desert. The cold soup was ok the beard was very hard and we had only butter to put on it. the main course was a little piece of lamb and considering the prices it could have been a bigger portion. So some improvements: The soup was ok The salade was horrible could have been straight from a Rewe so please put some small tomatoes with it and bit crunch and not a bowl for 2 persons but separate on a plate. main course : A bit more meat and veggie would make it perfect. Price drop it with 20% its really to high for what you get!

Fabulous food, concept, interior. A limited, high quality menu prioritising fresh local produce. Casual but sophisticated atmosphere. Water is included with 4 course meal - all you can drink, sparkling and still. More restaurants should do this! The beetroot soup was exquisite. Children were made welcome, with pasta that was not on the menu, and an activity box.

Fantastic food! Good service! Costly affair but worth it!